Wednesday 31 July 2019

Our current thinking on PDA


As many people may be aware, there has been a great deal of interest in, and controversy around, PDA.  What it is, what it should be called, and whether it actually exists.

As it is now over thirty years since the original concept of PDA was introduced by Elizabeth Newson and her colleagues, and how the thinking around Autism has moved on significantly during this time, it is very appropriate that this is discussed.

The first point of discussion is often around the name – many people find the term ‘Pathological’ difficult to accept.  They state that it puts the ‘blame’ for the demand avoidance firmly upon the child, and misses the reasons why a child might avoid certain situations or requests.  No one would dispute that avoiding demands is a human trait – we all do it to some extent.  Sometimes there is a completely rational reason why a child might resist doing something.  School and school work are often a trigger, and many children are actually traumatised by the school environment, and the fact that they find aspects of the work difficult.  They may have sensory issues that lead to them becoming overwhelmed in certain situations.  All perfectly reasonable reasons to avoid activities.

Some people prefer to use the term ‘Extreme’ to describe demand avoidance, but again this is not without its challenges.  What exactly qualifies as ‘Extreme’?

In addition, there are a growing number of people who actively identify with the label of PDA, and refer to themselves as PDAers. Using such an identity gives them a feeling of belonging to a group of people who understand their challenges, and who is to say that this is wrong? 

However, there are significant difficulties with this in terms of pinning down what exactly PDA is.  A major critique of PDA is that there are still no clear, unambiguous features of PDA that everyone agrees on.  Support for, and acceptance of, PDA across the United Kingdom, and indeed across the world, is variable.  Some areas have taken a stand and stated that it ‘does not exist’, or that they do not recognise it as a diagnosis, or even as a descriptive label. This has led to a huge rise in the number of parents and individuals who feel they recognise features of PDA in themselves, seeking support via social media sites.  This is undoubtedly a lifeline for many who are desperate for support.  Sadly though, ‘evidence’ gathered from these sites does not tend to be accepted by those carrying out academic research, or those who decide upon policies.

Another major point of discussion centres around whether PDA is exclusive to Autism.  This is a really interesting question.  As a team we have been fortunate to be asked to assess children (over 350 in a two year period) with a variety of difficulties and backgrounds.  Very often, on paper, the referral information looks very suggestive of what has now become known as the ‘PDA profile’.  However, when we meet some of these children, and spend time (often several hours) interacting with them, it becomes clear that their demand avoidance can be ‘better explained’ by something else (sometimes a ‘rational demand avoidance’ or attachment difficulties/developmental trauma). 

As a team we have spent many many hours discussing this and trying to pin down exactly what feels different.  We have carried out research on the data gathered from these 350 children, and have written this up for publication in academic journals. But these things take time.  We have taken on board the critique which has been forcefully expressed by those who do not feel that PDA is a ‘thing’ and have questioned our own judgement time and time again.  But (and this to us is a very important but), sometimes a child comes into our clinic and we all look at each other and say ‘There it is, that’s what PDA is’, because these children are SO similar.

Our team has spent many hours with children with a variety of different difficulties, and there is just something about the children with the PDA profile that makes us believe that it is an identifiable ‘thing’.  It will take time and more research to establish how this ‘thing’ can be better understood by a wider audience. All of these children meet criteria for Autism first, and the PDA is explored alongside this.  It may be a co-morbidity with Autism, it may be a trauma response, but ignoring it or arguing about what to call it or whether it is a ‘profile’ or a ‘syndrome’ is not helpful for the parents and children in the middle of these discussions.

It is not pleasant discussing the impact that the types of behaviour we have seen has upon parents, teachers, siblings and often the young person themselves, but it is a fact.  Many people do not like the idea of labels, or of sub-categories for Autism.  We, however, tend to use the analogy of apples – apples are apples, but there is no doubt that a Gala apple or a Pink Lady apple is better as an eating apple, whereas a Bramley apple is better cooked in a pie.  All are apples, but using a descriptive label helps people to know something about their individual characteristics.

Some critics argue that there is no need for a label such as PDA, and that the strategies suggested for working with children with PDA are just good autism strategies.  This is true up to a point – using a flexible child-centred approach is beneficial for all children.  The opposite does not apply though.  Trying to use routine-based, Autism strategies, or strategies that work for children with attachment difficulties, such as reward charts and contingency based systems, simply do not work for children with the PDA profile.  Ask any teacher.  With this type of approach, it is hardly surprising that the PDA society survey found that 70% of children with this profile were home educated, or out of school.

The take home message from this post is to appeal to those people who are so against the idea of a PDA profile – please give those of us on the front line time.  Time to pull together our evidence, time to read and learn from others in the field. These things take time to develop.  The process of publication of academic research is slow.  There is no doubt that after 30 plus years it is time for a fresh look at PDA; but simply arguing that it does not exist is not helpful.  Also please listen to the few professionals out there who have experience of being at the ‘coal face’ – those of us who have actually sat on the floor with a child, tried to negotiate with them, attempted to play with them, and listened to their broken parents.  Also, please listen to the children who ask for help and who say they don’t want to be difficult or challenging.  Please think about the potential trauma for the child who is being continually misunderstood and mismanaged.  Please think about the parents who are accused of fabricating or causing their child’s difficulties due to poor parenting and remember, until the 1980’s Autism itself was not in the diagnostic manuals like the DSM.  This did not mean that some people were not autistic before 1980.

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11 comments:

  1. It is understandable that people without an intense experience of something will be sceptic. Thank you very much for the work you do. As a mother of a PDA child I can attest that continual repetition over years will bring you nearer to normalcy. As soon as there is undue stress you lose some of your gains, but the longer you have worked on a spesific behaviour the quicker you can bring you child to calmness. Challenging your child continually has its rewards, ofcourse it must be done with care. Keep up the good work, and if you could find a quicker way around problem, so much the better.

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  2. Some of this is not reflective of the PDA literature base. The PDA literature notes that PDAers frequently do benefit from routines, when they choose them. This is not different than for autistic persons. Newson's original research results said that 60% of her PDAers adhered to routines.

    One should also note, that your clinic has contributed to the confusion over what PDA is by publishing its own diagnostic profile that is different to Newson's. Currently, there are 3 profiles in the literature. The main being being the reduced Newson profile, where it omits: delayed speech development, neurological involvement and passive early history. The reduce profile has brought out the social strategies sub trait, into a diagnostic trait itself. From my understanding your research uses full Newson profile. I do not know if your clinic uses your own PDA profile, does it?

    The issue is Judy, that your research is ignoring how other clinicians are research are saying PDA is found outside of autism. So your research is basically a self-validation exercise, due its circularity.

    Besides that, it seems more balanced than some and I agree with much of it. I think if PDA is to be researched it needs good quality research (significantly better than is often currently done) and following the scientific method, investigating PDA all persons who meets its profile (whatever that is); autistic or not.
    https://rationaldemandavoidance.com/2019/07/17/my-latest-thoughts-on-the-utility-of-the-demand-avoidance-phenomena-construct-a-response-to-recent-petitions/

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    1. Unbelievable unbiased analysis, well done you. I live in the autistic world and have done for 25 years and I have my own personal views on pda but I won't get into that as I concentrate on my 3 autistic sons. But I'm not anti pda, just anti ppl jumping on the bandwagon when we as autistic parents have fought daily and know the heartbreak of autism. Not pda

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  3. Ok, reading on your blog I have mixed emotions.
    Since my child has been diagnosed with Autism with Demand Avoidant Profile (as they can’t diagnose with PDA) speaking with her Diagnosed Dr and reading and educating myself on PDA the Dr said that yes she has PDA. This has given more confirmation that through a specialist that these children are free learning and do not conform to the norm.
    Saying that they have ‘attachments’ is untrue or ‘trauma’ related issues is also untrue. Since my child was born and learning her behaviour was never related to this... as long as she has the freedom to explore and her environment is adapted to her needs, she thrives!

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  4. Also it is perfectly fine to ignore the PDAers experiences if they are taking an extreme/ unethical/ talking nonsense position; which generally they are doing. Judy knows this as she has read my essay on the topic.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333682762_Demand_Avoidance_Phenomena_Pathological_Demand_Avoidance_an_ethical_challenge_to_its_orthodoxy

    Besides this reason, the argument that aspies identify with Asperger's Syndrome and that it should remain in the DSM5 was made by Wing & Gould; the APA ignored their opinion as Asperger's has a poor evidence base. The evidence base for PDA is significantly poorer quality than that of Asperger's Syndrome, so from a scientific perspective, it is reasonable to ignore it.

    Back to ethics. The PDA lobby should only be making claims proportional to the quality of its evidence base. As noted previously that evidence is poor quality. Sufficiently poor quality that the PDA lobby should not be taking the position that it is.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332727790_An_Updated_Interest_Based_Account_Monotropism_theory_a_Demand_Avoidance_Phenomenon_discussion

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  5. It is never okay to ignore PDAers experiences just because you believe it to be extreme/unethical/talking nonsense, that is tone policing.

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  6. My son managed to exist ‘under the radar’ for many years - given that he has incredible imagination and storytelling ability, he maintained friendships, displayed empathy to me & could ‘charm the pants’ of any adult if he was in the right mood. As a result, we were rejected by educators and clinicians alike. After school, most days, he would get home & turn into a version of the Incredible Hulk due to maintaining acceptable behaviour & adhering to rules he didn’t agree with. He became very ill with chronic fatigue & low mood, as a result of having to ‘act’ everyday of his young life. He was then home schooled & bit by bit recovered. He is now 20, and truly thriving. He will succeed as an actor as his profession, because this is where his passion lies. I have allowed him to develop on his own terms & due to this, he has worked out (more or less) how to navigate the adult world. If there had been correct diagnostic material available at the time, we could’ve avoided many years of chronic ill health & benefitted from a genuine support system (instead of being branded a bad parent!). Carry on with your fantastic work please - there will be people who disagree all over the place, that think they know better. As a parent, discovering PDA saved my life. It was a ‘eureka’ moment for me & The PDA Society we’re unbelievably supportive. I pray that you get all the funding & researchers necessary for a quick result. There are thousands of young people, just like my son, who are being failed by the system, and thousands of parents who are left feeling ‘battered and beaten’. I support your work wholeheartedly.

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  7. I call my son Jekyll & Hyde. After school he turns into Hyde! I like the “version of the Incredible Hulk” description. —- a fellow ‘battered and beaten’ parent

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  8. Think also of all those children who have now grown up and are still experiencing difficulties. Everything is focused on the PDA child but this condition does not disappear at adulthood.

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  9. I absolutely agree, I believe that I am autistic and also have a demand avoidant profile, it means that I often don’t make the best choices when people put demands on me, like if I am told I cannot do something I will automatically want to do the exact opposite to what they have said, thankfully with age I have learnt to calming strategies so I can try to level myself out before making some decisions.

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